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Razer Thresher Ultimate | Command in Comfort

Discussion in 'Audio' started by Razer|Technokat, Jun 13, 2017.

  1. dandiego

    dandiego New Member

    Sorry, I should have clarified what I meant by "processing"...

    The technology in the PS4 you're referring to is technically Dolby Digital Live, which encodes game audio in real-time into a compatible surround format that audio equipment can handle: Dolby Digital 5.1. It's been around for years in PlayStation and Xbox consoles, and many PC sound cards. (Movies and TV shows on the other hand aren't dynamic like games and already have the surround sound track ready to go.)

    Up until the recent Xbox and Windows 10 updates, what hasn't been implemented at the source (e.g., console) level is the processing I was referring to -- HRTF (head-related transfer function) processing. This is what takes a multi-channel signal (like Dolby Digital 5.1/7.1) and converts it to a 2-channel/stereo that can be played through headphones -- while still maintaining the surround sound effect (and not just stripping out everything except the left and right channels). The most common HRTF technology has traditionally been Dolby Headphone. Almost any time a gaming headset advertises it has Dolby processing, Dolby Headphone is the underlying technology. Some PC sound cards and a few older AV receivers have it too. In the past few years, the newer DTS Headphone:X HRTF has started appearing in headsets as well.

    So basically it traditionally works like this on Xbox and PS consoles with surround sound gaming headsets:
    1. Game engine generates dynamic game audio based on what the player is doing
    2. Console uses Dolby Digital Live to encode this audio into Dolby Digital 5.1 in real-time
    3. Gaming headset uses HRTF processing (Dolby Headphone or DTS Headphone:X) to convert that Dolby Digital multi-channel audio to 2 channels while still maintaining the surround sound effect

    What the Xbox One and Windows 10 can now do is apply their own real-time encoding *and* HRTF processing at the source (vs. relying on an external device like a gaming headset for the HRTF part). They call it Spatial Sound. In other words, for Xbox One/compatible Windows 10 games at least, you can use any normal pair of headphones since the HRTF processing is being done internally vs. in the external headset base station. I'm curious to see how Sony responds, if they do at all.
     
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  2. chickdan

    chickdan Active Member

    Ohhhhhh okay it all makes more sense now. It's really unfortunate that the PlayStation doesn't support this like Xbox/Win10. I wonder if it comes down to hardware or software, though? If it's just software then maybe we can see an update from Sony (although unlikely).

    Also I saw the Spatial Sound appear in my audio settings (PC) recently and I was wondering what that was, so you answered that question too :big_grin_:

    Before they announced the Thresher I was considering a LucidSound LS40 to replace my old PlayStation 3 Headset (which I love and really do not want to part with) once it dies. Then I flipped to the Thresher because I do like Razer products and it looked promising. But with this newfangled info I may just stick with the LS40s.

    Thanks for the post, it was very insightful!
     
  3. TheRabidWookiee

    TheRabidWookiee New Member

    I can't wait to get my hands on this to do a review for my channel. I want to take this head to head with my astro a50's and see how they compare! Will these be Razer Store exclusive? Or can i get them from Best Buy? I'm still a peon in the review world and still have to buy all the products i review, haha.
     
  4. dandiego

    dandiego New Member

    A quick search on Google and Amazon indicates these will not be a Razer Store exclusive:
    https://www.google.com/shopping/product/16531718275806178936
    https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Thresher-Ultimate-Playstation-Retractable/dp/B0719RHFQX
     
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  5. TW1SM

    TW1SM New Member

    Review.

     
  6. Teveron24

    Teveron24 New Member

    Does anyone know when it will be released? Should be available in June via the Razer Store, and it's 27th June already.
     
  7. S_Chiu

    S_Chiu New Member

    If its releasing in the next few weeks...oh my poor wallet. :eek_::big_grin_:
     
  8. Malevolence23

    Malevolence23 Active Member

    So even though these both work on PC, are we going to see a PC version released with Chroma? I understand why the console versions don't release with chroma but I think this is the first peripheral I've seen in over a year that hasn't had chroma built into it. I've been in the market for a wireless headset lately and when I saw this I thought it was perfect except for the chroma lacking. I know that the Man o'War is an option but the wireless version doesn't have 7.1 one surround like the Thresher does.
     
  9. WaschBaer

    WaschBaer Active Member

    you are wrong .. it does have 7.1 surround sound ;) look on the razerstore page or the wireless man o war
     
  10. Malevolence23

    Malevolence23 Active Member

    Yea I was wrong, I got confused because the wireless is labeled just Man o'War, and then they have a Man o'War 7.1, so logically I assumed that only one the one labeled 7.1 has 7.1.
     
  11. jason091287

    jason091287 New Member

    When can I get my hands on these!? I applied for the notification, but nothing yet!
     
  12. chickdan

    chickdan Active Member

    Not sure, it was originally announced to launch at the end of June but they are clearly late lol. If you signed up for notifications you should get an email when they release.
     
  13. Teveron24

    Teveron24 New Member

    Same here.
     
  14. kevikev

    kevikev New Member

    +1 on this question. Will the headset be able to connect via the XBox Wireless adapter or directly to the XBox One / Windows 10 PCs with built-in XBox Wireless? I've used 2.4GHz wireless headsets before and the range/quality isn't that great.
     
  15. StormLance

    StormLance New Member

    Does it support the wearing of spectacles too?
     
  16. I want the xbox pair so bad they look soo nice!!
     
  17. al7mn

    al7mn New Member

    My friend said it's very light and comfort, and i like it i'll buy one soon i hope.
     
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  18. I hear you there one day soon i hope.
     
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  19. kevikev

    kevikev New Member

    This was actually confirmed in the many reviews online. Apparently the foam has indentations around where your glass frames would go so it's more comfortable wearing glasses with the headset.

    He's got one already?
     
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  20. Yogla1337

    Yogla1337 New Member

    Everything is perfect When I watched the presentation of these new headphones, I found no shortage.
    Looking forward to buy a pair of this headset. This will perfectly fit my to PS4 :headphones::hear_no_evil::heart: