The Razer Core V2

Discussion in 'Systems' started by RazerGwynbleidd, Oct 17, 2017.

  1. MeHail

    MeHail New Member

    I've got an MSI Aero 1080 ti. Locked the thing to 65C and 50% power. Games run fine GPU holds it's tempt limit. I will unplug the sensor tomorrow and (un)stress test it with the above settings. I do hope PSU running at half the load (more or less ;)) with GPU not going over 65C will be good enough for ambient fan speeds to keep the Core going. I'll keep you posted on the results.

    @all
    Does anyone else have issues with USB devices lagging/disconnecting at random if going thru Core V2? I had to unplug everything and route it thru a separate hub directly to RBS to fix that.
     
  2. Pentalobe

    Pentalobe Active Member

    Not any worse than Core v1. I have Keyboard & Mouse (Razer Blackwidow X TE Chrome, Mamba 16000, FWIW) and a license dongle plugged in and they have never disconnected. I have tried a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (old version 2012) output only on my Core V2 and there was some stuttering just playing Spotify. I tried a USB hard disk (Gdrive 1TB) and it would occasionally disconnect on the Core v1, have not tried it with the v2. I would not recommend any high-bandwidth (like USB mass storage device) or low-latency (like audio interface) go through the core.

    The Focusrite is pretty picky tho. It won't work with any USB cable over 10 feet for example.

    I had the same experience with core v1. It is the same TB3 bandwidth and this has been discussed at length (most of the discussion by users that do not own or use the device, like everything else on insider, so it's pretty pointless to bother searching for). So it shouldn't be a surprise.
     
  3. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    Do you mean this thread? Most of them are the Core owners.
     
  4. Pentalobe

    Pentalobe Active Member

    No, just some random posts from this very thread, including some "authoritative" posts from before it was even available:

    As I said in the old core thread, it's entirely dependent on whatever devices you plug into the core. It's not the TB3 or GPU issue but rather the USB hub inside the core. Because the ethernet has been rock-solid on both V1 and V2 for example, as have low-stress devices like a keyboard or license dongle. Unless my focusrite is plugged into a root port or 1st ring hub, it's not gonna work.


    Sorry kids, I've been at this game since I had an SGI Octane under my desk. After a while working with CAD/CAE machines you start to learn what's good and what's BS. Razer Core... good. But it's not magic.
     
  5. muchcattle

    muchcattle New Member

    It doesn't maintain Charge either unfortunately. Would have been a cool addition, especially since the proprietary Pro charger is so expensive and it would be nice to be able to leave one at work instead of buying a second.

    As for reliability, I do concede that it's probably mostly due to user error and the order of plugging in and such. There are a few times I've been dumbfounded by what's happening and worried that something is dead, but a reboot has solved it.

    Oh and the main thing about the headset and controller: it's plugged into my Chroma base station which is plugged into the Core. So I think that has something to do with it. I'm using the PS4 Platinum headset with its own USB dongle. When plugged into the Chroma Base Station, it connects, but it's kind of spotty at times. When plugged into the laptop, it's perfect all the time. I'm also using the Xbox controller using a USB cable in the Chroma base station as well. I need to try both in the back of the Core and not in the base station. See if it's really the Core or the complication of the Base Station.

    Also, does anybody know what I should look for in a new Thunderbolt 3 cable? Just looking for something longer so I can put it under my desk. I have lots of USB-C cables. But I'm assuming those won't be able to handle the data transfer> (I don't actually understand these protocols lol)
     
  6. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    Are you saying that splited lanes on Core V2 doesn’t fix randomly disconnects issues in the thread I showed above?
    It’s maybe not magic for you as IT “geek” (btw at that time that SGI octane showed i don’t even know what GPU is, because i was only language student at high school) but now for poeple who want clean desk setup without tower desktop, and use single laptop as their PC, Razer Core is a magic solution. I don’t need atm it because my Blade 14 with 1060 still perform well for my needed, and for work and media consumption that doesn’t really need GPU power I have stealth to finishing those needs. Once my gtx 1060 couldn’t feed my needs anymore I would get the Core as an upgrade solution, that we are the kids, doesn’t even think of this technology evolution back in our high school days. That’s why we search information from a lot of forum and the experts like on this one, to prepare our knowledge once we buy the product.
     
  7. Pentalobe

    Pentalobe Active Member

    It's really just a matter of getting used to it's quirks and learning the required incantations for a successful docking and undocking. The last laptop dock I had with a graphic slot was for a thinkpad A30 it required a complete shutdown and bootup or it would bluescreen, so some progress has been made in the last 15 years...

    Ok, so neither device is using the bluetooth, then. Sorry, I use bose headset and nintendo controller which are both bluetooth (no dongle).. So rather than running it through a hub on a hub, you run it on a hub on a hub on a hub :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: Sure, that will work great ! (I had to google what a "chroma base station" was, lol, what a strange product)

    You need something that is rated as a Thunderbolt 3 40 GBPS, there are a lot of TB3 cables that will knock you back to 20GBPS speed if not careful. https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=103&cp_id=10301&cs_id=1030107&p_id=24728&seq=1&format=2
     
  8. EggLegg

    EggLegg Member

    wow theses are back to back releases. WP razer
     
  9. surfer1081

    surfer1081 Active Member

    @Joikansai its a wonderful solution and I have no idea what he was talking about. Its tech that has presented itself for 2 yrs now from Razer and maybe 4 from at its latest for the egpu tech world. Its just a matter of time over reversions but overall I think there are vast improvements from v1 to v2 from what I read and understand. Not perfect like psu noise, but improvements are there.
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/1194...-egfx-enclosure-two-thunderbolt-3-controllers
    Maybe it'll help explain it better of what v2 has to offer. I think its great and no regrets on buying it! I do use the RBS as well vs those with the Razer blade.
     
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2017
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  10. MeHail

    MeHail New Member

    Ok. I finally got to play some games. 1.5 hrs of Overwatch on ultra setting with FPS capped to 70 and quoted above settings applied using MSI afterburner:
    - GPU never went over 65C based on RivaTuner stats.
    - PSU after the session was about 50C (external temp, didn't remove the PSU lid just the Core outer casing to touch the PSU itself). And I have a feeling it got the heat from GPU sitting next to it and not from the power load.
    - I played without the headphones to make sure I hear the "screaming" from PSU if things get bad. Nothing happened.
    - And my god was it nice and quiet :)

    Do ya'll think I can relax and keep playing like this? Any signs I should be keeping my eyes on? (I did smell the Core every now and then to make sure its not burning :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:).
     
  11. Pentalobe

    Pentalobe Active Member

     
  12. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    Interesting tweaks and experiments you’re doing with the core, i heard also it’s on default setting loud in Razer subreddit. I am just curious which Blade Stealth version do you have, if you have the dual core one, isn’t gtx1080ti too overkill for the CPU, I saw that 1070 is the best one to go for it due CPU bottleneck, you’ll get not huge difference between 1080ti and 1070, unless you have quad core one.
     
  13. surfer1081

    surfer1081 Active Member

    but the best is 1070 TI :wink_:
     
  14. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    I see. I saw users benchmarks before and with dual core stealth best value was 1070, higher than it the CPU bottleneck made 1080 and 1080ti only slightly better than 1070. Atm Core isn’t necessary for me but if there’s a good deal I’ll get it for my Blades, stealth has dual core but because I have also the big 14 brother with i7 HQ cpu, I think I would get the maximum high end GPU, I’m hoping Volta though, but if I got Core deals earlier, with 1080TI I saw also not too bad, it seems I’ll get around same GPU performance with gtx1080 on Blade Pro with Blade 14, even on stealth maybe a 1070 Laptops Performance.
     
  15. MeHail

    MeHail New Member

    I have 2017 dual core version of RBS. As for the GPU, I didn't do direct comparison. However I have a 2nd PC running 1070x2 with SLI. Tried it out with SLI disabled and single 1070 GPU in a ATX tower is giving noticeably lower framerates than the RBS/Core setup with 1080ti capped to 50% power. Not to mention that because of all the extra horsepower and cooling designed to manage it GPU is easily staying below 65C and Core v2 is not turning into a frying pan.

    @Pentalobe
    So far, I'm really happy with what I ended up with. Thanks for the sensor tips. Let's hope I won't end up looking for the fire extinguisher :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
     
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2017
  16. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    I see, yes it still perform better than 1070 but I meant performance loose from 1080ti should be on desktop due laptops CPU bottleneck is bigger on 1080Ti, but if you want to have the most powerful performance on it you already have. I thought you just bought the 1080ti, and don’t have 1070. Most poeple with limited budget asked about the bottleneck and the most reliable GPU for the core setting.
     
  17. MeHail

    MeHail New Member

    1070 is much slower. If you are in for gaming and want the Core v2/RBS to be the main rig - it's not a good option IMO. 1070ti should be a better fit. However it will likely perform hotter as for decent performance you will have to keep it running at full power. That in turn means Core v2 fans will have to stay in default configuration with thermal sensor connected. And that sounds like an airplane is landing in your living room :-/
     
  18. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    I think I mentioned above my main gear is Blade 14 2017, so in 1080p I could still run mostly latest titles on high setting. I aimed the Core because i wanted to buy 4K Blade 14, but they released it way later after I couldn’t wait and bought FHD one instead. Yes I heard from other core users recently for my dual cores stealth 1070Ti is better, but once I get the core I’ll put GPU that also could push my Blade 14, and now I’m aiming Volta when gtx 1060 on my Blade couldn’t play everything on high or medium.
     
  19. razortalent

    razortalent New Member

    The noise is horrible. Have a 1060GTX sitting there idle with nothing running on the DT aside from autorun system tray stuff and the fans are spinning like the Avengers Helicarrier!!
     
  20. TK-1987

    TK-1987 Active Member

    Isn't it? I think Razer really needs to start focusing on their cooling solutions on their machines.